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Kyle,

I know that a lot of people don't comment blogs in general and I think it is because most read it through RSS feeds.

I have to say that I love hearing what is going on at the Creek. I happen to live in the Greater Cincinnati area but lived in Perrysburg most of my life so I miss the Creek A LOT. My husband and I attend the Cincinnati Vineyard which is a little lighter then the Creek but about the same size (we drive 45 minutes every week to be there so 10 minutes would be cake). We also listen to Life Church on the internet every week (talk about multiple campuses).

We are praying for you all as you expand and more forward with the Creek. How blessed is the Toledo are to have all of you in their lives.

Can't wait to take part in your on line Bible Study. I am sure it will be great.

For the Ultimate,
Faith Walker

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You sure aren't kidding that you ramble. Are you trying to convince your readers or convince yourself that you are happy with church and life! Perhaps people don't comment because of the content you write. Who cares that you're on facebook and do you think people really need or want to hear about what is happening at your house or with your camper? Most people that would take the time to check a church pastor's bolog want to know about what's going on in ministry and church and what God is doing. Or maybe that's not the purpose of these church blogs. If you want people to comment, write something that is worth the time it takes to make a comment.

Yay for blogging!!!!!

Yes that is my wife who commented before me. I love the blog. Don't be discouraged if you feel like you are preaching to an empty church. You probably get more hits on your blog than I do. But over time, people will find it and comment. Keep at it cuz for some of us out of towners, this is the best way for us to stay connected. I am a blogging junkie and I love reading blogs from other churches because I pray for those who do the work of God and aren't we all a part of the same CHURCH anyways? So I am praying for those in Toledo, So. Cal., Cincinnati, North Caroline, Oklahoma, and many others. I know the struggles of ministry and my heart is there for those who are leading. So here is some hype from Southwest Ohio. And if you want to visit our blogs, you can find us at www.churchpunk.com. And you can comment back at us if you got the time. Rawk on!!!! -chris

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Faith Walker Cincinnati Ranger? Is that Ben and Tina?

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I was very happy this Christmas Eve, my friend, Jessica, accepted Jesus Christ into her heart, I'm so glad!!!! She's really come a long way, for a while she didn't believe that God even existed. Praise the Lord.

The clock is ticking...

Oh, I forgot. A few weeks ago my dad went to some old friend's of ours church, they're pastors, and they just opened up their church, it's called Faith Tabernacle of Bradner. Anyway, one of the pastors' niece, has these dreams that are sort of like visiona, always related to God. Her last dream she was in Heaven, and Jesus set this clock, kind of like a timer, but the thing was is that there was no hands on the clock though, it was really weird. What they think the dream means is that Jesus is sort of warning us that he's coming back, maybe soon, but we don't know because there were no hands on the clock, I'm sure that's a sign. Well, I just thought that was pretty cool so I thought I'd share it.

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Wow Kyle. That was REAAAAALLY long. I mean, it was kinda fun to read...but, boy was it a lot of words. Did you maybe want to start a thread to chew on or are you waiting for Falco to come back...like ME.

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Bill...check the content again. I'm sure there's something about ministry, church and what God is doing in there. If you don't want to hear about my personal life then don't read my blog, it's that simple! This blog is about my thoughts and life as a pastor. Sometimes it has something to chew on Hippo, sometimes it just has my thoughts on life. That's the way I work. I don't mind the fact that there aren't many posts sometimes...don't get the wrong impression here. I was thinking that posts equaled readers when I started to blog, now I realize it has nothing to do with it. Great! The content isn't always going to be hyper spiritual. Sorry. But not really:)

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I like all of your posts Kyle, and I think that you last post there had to do with ministry. There's nothing wrong with sharing things about your personal life, sometimes a lot of it has to do with God. Come on people, ever heard of a testimony?

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I wasn't really after spiritual...just less wordy. I think you're alright. I wouldn't go as far as Kelly with the ego stroking...but, you know, you're sound. Also, I was wondering what your thoughts are on spanking your kids. Spank or don't spank? That is the question. I read loud and clear that the bible says spank. Anybody else? Go.
Oh...and I'm still on the look out for Falco. I hear there has been a sighting. Just a little more bait...and BAM! It won't be long now...

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SPANK!!!!!
And yes, it was wordy. I was catching up for lost weeks not blogging.
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Thanks for the compliment hippo, I'm sure it wasn't easy -ha

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Bill...lighten up dude!

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All Aboard HA HA HA....iii. Hello Kyle. Hello people of Cedar Creek blogpalooza. I missed you a little. Hello Bill!! Hey Bill, buddy, can we talk a little about your haterism in that post. Have you been eatin hater-tots? Washin um down with some Hatorade maybe? Dude, Kyle isn’t your camp counselor from 7th grade! He probably has never even been to camp Young and Chubby so you can’t blame him for what happened! Okay, now let’s take a look at that post. Yes, Vanilla Gray is a ramblin man. Next, I don’t think that it sounded like Kyle Ice was trying to convince himself or anyone about his state of happiness. He was just being open with people. However, every once in a while FALCO has to remind myself of his blessings and remember that he is happy with his family, church, friends etc.. You must not need to do that huh? You also said that people don’t comment because of the content. But you commented! Truly another sign of insecurity. I am also thrilled that Kyle Griswold is on facebook and can't wait for him to post a pic of the camper! You know why? Because I too like to camp. That helps me relate a little more to one of the people in my Christian community. Lastly Bill, you stated pastor’s blogs are to be about “what's going on in ministry and church and what God is doing. Or maybe that's not the purpose of these church blogs.” Maybe if you would stop waving your hater flag and reread Clark W. Grays post you would see a little about ministry, church, and God in there. All I am really trying to say is that until you can say something nice, don’t say anything. Or actually no wait, just something that makes sense would be fine. I guess you don’t have to be nice. Just stop being so insecure man. Jesus loves you and so does KG-52. And so do I brother. Kelly, can I get you any chap stick? SPANK EM Hippo! Falco out.

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I have a few comments, Kyle! You mentioned in your church report that the church has a problem with titheing. If you look at the salaries of the pastors here at the Creek, that doesn't look like a problem. While I don't know the exact figures, I have heard that Lee and you guys make about $ 93, 000 a year. That is more money than most people would make with 30 years of work and a masters degree. So I don't think people are not giving money. lol Second, you mentioned that the political primaries are pretty boring. I disagree. I think it is the most exciting race of my lifetime so far. No one knows for sure what the outcome will be on either side let alone the general election. So I am closely following it every step of the way. :) On spanking, I don't see it as the Christian thing to do. While one could make the case that the Bible says spare the rod and spoil the child, I think it is taken out of context. A rod in Biblical times was a prod used to direct cattle or sheep by gently poking them in the side. In other words, when our kids need direction, we, as with a cattle prod, should gently point them in the right direction. As far as the argument that if we don't spank our kids, they will turn out to be bad people or become criminals, my own life puts that theory to rest. I was never spanked as a child and I grew up honest, moral, drug-free, and always obeyed the law among other things. My parents used other ways to discipline us and it worked. Besides, hitting a child with a belt, paddle, switch, or other instrument leaving welts or bruises hardly falls under the definition of Christian love or what we would want our kids to model. That is my two cents on the matter! Peace out!

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Great comments Tim! I don't care which path parents take, I was spanked and turned out fine too (that's debatable)!! I'm not interested in arguing a parents choice on this matter. As far as tithing goes, my comments are certainly not that no one gives, but that when you have a predominately younger congregation…newer Christians etc. the giving is commonly lower. This is fact, and this is the way we like it! I stated that. Lee’s salary is openly posted and I am not making what you propose. Not even close☺
I know many people who are loving these primaries, that’s great!! I am excited to see what comes out of it, but I’m getting tired of the coverage…it was more of a monster quest joke than anything else.
Thanks for the two cents, I love it and always welcome everyone’s opinion, even if I don’t agree. That’s the beauty of blogging. Everyone has a voice!

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Thanks for the camper comments as it's something I can't wait for. Sorry no time to talk, off to spank my children.

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Kyle,
I am one of the blog readers that never comment but you guilted me. I started going to the Creek last March and it has changed my outlook on life and I credit you for keeping me focused on Jesus. Out of all the pastors I identify with you the most. I am a "recovering" Catholic that had not been to church in 20 years, the Creek has connected with me in a way that I now have accepted Jesus in my heart. I have attended the spiritual gifts class and now serve at the Source. If you would have asked me a year ago if I would read a church blog I would have said you were crazy. I used to think organized religion was the root to all the worlds problems. But I think I have found a home and I owe it to you and Lee.
Yes, I love the music rock or country, please keep it up. I would like to request an oncore of you singing with the video of " The Passion of Christ" in the background as you did for Easter, I don't remember the name of the song. I believe that was my defining moment of accepting Jesus or at least the icing on the cake. I will never forget that moment.
As far as the primaries I agree with Tim I think they are interesting since there is no clear front runner. But, I will tell you who ever is strongest on illegal immigration will get my vote. I think it is Fred Thompson. The illegals put to much stress on the social services and insult our national integrety.
Spank the kids.
Anyway that was my first blog (maybe my last) but keep up the good work and God bless to all who write and read this blog.

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Hello Timbo. I love how you get in your digs and then follow up with a LOL or smiley face. But check this out real quick. Ephesians 6:4- "Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord." Oh okay, well Apostle Paul, what are the Lords instructions for discipline? Oh, you want me to study my bible and find out myself? Okay! Well let’s see here.... um. “Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.” (Proverbs 23:13-14) Oh and here is some more God breathed scripture from the wisest mortal ever. Proverbs 13:24, 22:15, 20:30. What Tim? You say that your parents didn’t need any of that biblical advice huh!? Tim, do a Hebrew word study for strike, rod, and discipline and get back at us. Of course there are some foolish people out there who want to use the bible with out understanding what is meant. Those who justify angrily beating a child because they think that’s what the bible states. That is just foolishness and you are right when you allude to hitting your kids in that manner as not being very Christian. However the bible does exhort us to restrained, corrective, and yes loving, physical discipline. Now on to your speculative rant about how much the pastors at the creek make. Dude, Speculation is stinky cologne and it really makes people who use it in the way you did look really silly. Yes, pastors make money too! Are you the one who should set the salary? Do you understand that a pastor’s job isn’t just 9 to 5 but an actual 24/7 always on call lifestyle? Tim read your bible buddy. Don’t muzzle the ox! Heck you would have probably wanted to take away the Levites filet mignon! God gave em the filet bro. Let em have it. Look at the actual numbers of creek attendees VS the amount of cash coming in. It’s a joke no matter if Lee is making Creflo Dollar money or not! You need to pick up the clue phone and go to a Cedar Creek Business meeting dude. The numbers don’t lie. I really want to comment on the politics and clue you in on what the bible says about that but this sucker is getting way to long. Tim, Jesus is the King regardless of who gets elected. Get your face off Fox News and into your bible. Falco out.

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Tim, I would like to commend your parents for the way they raised you to hold true to your morals, the law and always be honest, maybe your parents can teach Bill that "if you can't say anything nice then you shouldn't say anything at all".

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I have given my endorsement to John McCain. Since I am a Republican, I believe out of the five main candidates, he has the best chance of beating Hillary or Obama in the fall. But I will vote for any of them of course. :)

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Thank you Camping Man for your comments about my parents. I appreciate it. Kyle, who is this Falco guy? Is he just a random blogger or does he have close ties to the Creek? If he does, I don't know if he is the person you want representing Cedarcreek. As a church reaching out to unbelievers and seekers, he could turn a lot of people off. I love how he criticizes Bill for not being nice and being hateful and then launches into a same type of broadside against me that is just as mean spirited. But since I was attacked publicly, I will respond. First of all, Falco, how dare you say my parents didn't raise me right. As I said, I turned out to be a good, moral, law-abiding citizen and I was never hit once. If you want to beat your kids, that is your choice but I would never do it to mine. I am a teacher so I impose discipline from time to time. I get my students to follow my rules and I never used corporal punishment. While the Bible might allow spanking, it also allows for other forms of discipline as well. Besides some of the punishments my parents handed out were a lot worse than getting a quick swat on the butt. That was an easy way out. lol As for pastors' salaries, I do believe some of them around the country are too high. I would set the salary at around 50 or 60 thousand. That is decent and while it ensures that the pastor is not in the poorhouse, it also ensures that he is not ripping us off. I think high pastor salaries are unjustified when a lot of congregants are struggling to make mortgage payments, put food on the table, put gas in their car, etc. While pastors work a lot of hours, they are not working 24/7 as you said. I am sure Lee is doing church work at 3 in the morning. lol But the funniest thing is how you justify these lavish lifestyles by saying it comes from God. In that case, why don't we make the salary 500, 000 and throw in a Mercedes to boot? lol It is all from God, right? This is how Jim Bakker got in trouble and why the general public does not respect Pastor Pitts around here. While I believe God does bless people who follow Him, this is way beyond anything that is reasonable. Otherwise, we would all have the same things because we all follow God. As for your comments about me speculating, your last comment is the pot calling the kettle black. I never said Jesus wouldn't be King if anyone got elected and I never said I watch Fox News. Talk about speculation. I could be watching CNN, MSNBC, or nothing at all. And why couldn't I also be watching Fox News or another news channel and reading my Bible at the same time? Yes, I can do two things at the same time. lol I read my Bible and do other things occasionally. You should try it some time. We have people at the Creek who watch Ohio State games for example and also read their Bible. Maybe you should tell them to get their face out of football and into their Bible. :) In other words, I am a unique individual who has his own hobbies and one of them happens to be politics. I am sure you will come back against me with another diatribe but I am ready for it. Fire away! Peace out!

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Falco...all I can do is smile, buddy. It's like a breath of fresh air. Now...I need to go read my bible. (You seem to bring that out in people)

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Falco, you're a fool and a hypocrite. Remove the plank, buddy! Truth is truth and should be spoken in love. My comments to Kyle were not derogatory, were to the point, and expressed my thoughts. After all, isn't the point of blogging to share thoughts and opinions? And, unlike you, I did not ramble on and on senselessly! Kyle, I take it back, compared to Falco, your blog was short and sweet! Obviously, spanking did not help Falco!

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Tim, how do I know who represents CedarCreek when NO ONE uses their real names, or only a FIRST name?? That’s the great thing about blogging. Anyone can speak their minds and say what they feel like saying. Just like you. I am the only one with my name on a billboard out here, no offense hippo…unless that’s your birth name, but I have my doubts☺ I don’t have any say in who posts, I only approve or disapprove them, and yes, I love to approve them when they’re negative about me. Now, I think we need a group hug. Ok never mind. Tim, Lee just said he’d love for you to jump over to his blog and argue salaries…since you named him and all, seriously. Suddenly my ‘rambling post’ has turned into a rambling thread! Ironic, yes. Oh well, at least none of us seem to like each other. –ha

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It's easy to point to Lee's salary 25 years into his career. Let's go back to the beginning days when Lee stepped out into faith to start a church with a small group of people. No one complained then when he was making nothing with no guarantee God would provide for the Lee the way he is today other than God's words in the Bible. Let's praise God and thank him for the way he continues to bless this church and also Lee. And to respond to your comment Tim about working at 3am 24/7, apparently you don't understand what going into the ministry is all about. I'm not in the ministry but my family is so it's all I've known. The ministry is not a 8-5 job where you're worried about budgets and when is my next lunch break, this isn't something you go home from. You go to sleep thinking about it and you wake up thinking about it and when things are tough sometimes you never go to sleep. If you want to question something question Lee and what he's doing with his time and resources and the type of moral leader he is. If all of that is in check you won't have to worry about how high his salary gets. Besides he's probably giving 25% percent of it back what about you? I know I can do better in this department so I will be the last person to mention salary. This is the problem with some of the other pastor's you mentioned.

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These entries are getting all out of order! I think we're breaking the server.
Keep it up, I'm not satisfied till I see smoke.

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Falco for President.

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So I think I have figured this anonymous posting thing out! I can basically post anything I want without ever having to "man-up" for the things I've said?! Beautiful!

Also I've heard that the guys over at the Toledo Campus blog have updated today...they're so cool....-Bason Bmithers

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You guys! You're looking at things from the world's perspective, not the Lord's. What's up with that? This salary thing goes on in all the churches and it has for years. It's the same as people saying they don't attend church, because the people there are hipocrites. I don't know who Falco is, but I enjoyed reading his comments, because they were based on Scripture. Look to God, not to men. He will direct your paths. Store up His Word in your heart. Meditate on it continually. Lee, Kyle, Ben...all of us are accountable to God. And God does bless abundantly. I'm grateful for the openess of the pastors at the Creek. In the Lutheran church that I was raised in, sometimes the Pastor's were not as reachable. It's refreshing to hear that they go through the same daily things that life brings to all of us. -Sue

Falco and Hippo

Falco and Hippo, I'd like to ask what is is that I'm saying tha makes you think Im "ego stroking", or need chapstick. I'm not offended, but I don't see your point. Are you getting at that I have a big mouth? If you are, you're probably right, I like to talk a lot, and I always like to speak my mind, but I am always careful about other people's feelings, and would never say anything purposley to offend anyone. So whatever it is I said that makes you think I have a big mouth, please, let me know, I'll shut up, I promise:)

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Oh, ok I get it. Falco can say whatever he wants about me or others but we cannot respond. Also, it doesn't matter what people do or what happens in the world as long as we can find some verse in the Bible to justify their beliefs or behavior. How is everything on Mars, guys? I hear the weather is a little cold there this time of year.

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Sorry Kyle about the comments on Falco. I just assumed you and Hippo knew who he was since you anticipated his return to the blog. But it appears he is just a random blogger who I think attends the Creek from what I can ascertain.

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Kelly,

While I know that you were not offended by Falco's comments, I can definitely tell you that was his intent. He wasn't saying that to compliment you. If he thinks you have a big mouth, he should look in the mirror.

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Hey Kelly...my "ego stroking" comment was meant to poke fun at Kyle, not you. My point was made and it made me laugh. It's amazing how feather's get ruffled when people read between the lines and interepret based on their own conscience.

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Wow!!! Things get pretty intense on "the Blog"!! All I can say is: Kyle, I'm thrilled to know you are a Steeler fan. I too love my family, my kids, camping, and I even have to smile when I look at the pile of laundry in the living room!! God is good and life is good! Oh, and I don't care how much $$ you make!

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Tim, I have got more than a few comments relating to not only Lee's salary ,but our entire staff's income.

Tithing is a major challenge at the church, especially given the fact Kyle mentioned, we have a huge population of non and new believers. For the most part they do not tithe. Praise the Lord for those faithful givers who give it up for what God is doing at CCC.

Just a few facts from the finance side that might help put things in perspective. Based on a survey of churches our size who report their pastor's incomes (like we do), the majority of CCC staff is below or at the lower 25% income of those having the same positions in other churches. Another way to say it, they are below the average in pay. Our executive pastors all fall below the 25 percentile of income. All responsible organizations do this benchmarking of their employees to ensure they hold on to talent. If we go by this data, we need to be concerned about moving the salaries up not down. Now that we have had incredible success at growing our church, our staff is sought after by other churches. It is a poor organizational decision to limit incomes. Did you know our executive pastors don’t take salary increases unless the rest of the staff takes increases that year. And more, our staff at CCC serve a much higher ratio of attendee to staff than the average. I could go on and on!!!

I am very proud of the fact that our (my) church reports every penny of income and spending every year. We also know how much our senior pastor gets paid. Most churches do not.

Ok now here is the challenge Tim. Go out this week and recruit a "Leader" who can take on a church (three locations) of 6000 and a budget of $5M and see if this type of experience can be had for $50-60K/year. The reality is that we would be providing more like $150K.

Lastly, Jim Baker got hammered for stealing and Pitts has obviously many more issues to deal with than a salary.

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This is in response to Bill: Your names will never hurt Falco because as I stated before, I’ve got some love for ya! HOWEVER…. C'mon man you cant tell me that you were meaning to make sense in that rebuttal! How old are you Billy? Ten? Do your parents know that you are on the internet? You call Falco “a fool and a hypocrite”? And..“Take out the plank, buddy”? You make me laugh bro! I just have to shake my head at that little tantrum. You mentioned that the truth should be spoken in love and I agree, but what part of your response to K-Fed Gray was loving? Yes, almost everything that you said in response to Kyle’s long winded rant was derogatory! Even Lee took notice of your insecurity! Listen man, I REALLY DO want to pick your response to me apart and show you how silly your comeback at Falco was but I just don’t think it’s worth it. I mean, just reread what you wrote to Kyle and then what I wrote to you, and then your response to me. You should be able to see how goofy you look after that. No worries Bill, pretty soon you will be in Jr High and no one will ever even remember this little embarrassing moment of yours. Falco out. PS Tim, stay tuned. Your next.

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Wow FALCO, I don't think they come any more obnoxious than you, but I could be wrong.

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Nat! Are you calling names? Obnoxious? Yah OK, maybe. A name caller? Um no, no Falco is not. (with the exception of the loving lite hearted pet names I have for Kyle) Where is your sense of humor Nat?!

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FALCO, I have a sense of humor, I just don't see any humor in anythhing you say. Oh, and I didn't directly call you obnoxious, I implied it by simply saying they don't come anymore obnoxious than you. I didn't say "FALCO is obnoxious". But I guess you get the point. Don't be offended. Come on FALCO, have a sense of humor!

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Nat, you know that in your heart you were calling Falco obnoxious don’t you!? Thats not nice girl. Just kidding dude, I know I sound obnoxious! And you asked me to have a sense of humor? I do have one... Its on the second from the top shelf next to the sarcasm right in front of the obnoxious. Plus I said that first. Stop tryin to jock my lyrics. ha ha. Falco out.

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FALCO, I was mocking you. It's alright to be obnoxious anyway. At least I don't have to listen to you being obnoxious. Ha! That certainly makes it more bearable:)

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Three cheers for you, Natalie. I have read this blog on a regular basis and have been so angry as I read the unfounded comments made by people like Bill and Tim, but none have angered me more than Falco. I have resisted commenting up to this point, but can no longer be silent. Falco, you are one of those stereotypical examples of the "kind of Christian" that people say have turned them off to Christianity. Yes, Falco, you are obnoxious, and hypocritical, and you most certainly do not speak the truth in love. You promote yourself as being righteous and then slam everyone that you disagree with as you attempt to stand on biblical truth.It is a shame too because you seem very bibically knowledgeable. Too bad it hasn't found its way to your heart and to your mouth. You could probably use that knowledge to glorify God if you only humbled yourself and learned to leave the vicious sarcasm and obnoxious tone out of making your points :) You might even convince people like Bill and Tim that your points are valid. God can change your heart and your tone if you let Him and He can also use that knowlege you possess to win people for Him rather than to blast people away from what is His truth! I think words spoken by people like myself and Natalie will only fall on Falco's deaf ears and I am sure his tongue will be very quick to lash back at me too! Falco, fire when ready buddy. I will still keep praying for you!

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I completely agree with you Daisy. It's nice that you have started blogging and haven't let people like FALCO intimidate you. Back when I lived in Georgia, I went to this really small church. When you go to a small church the gossip goes around and people get really judgemental. I think part of the reason that little country chuch was so small was because of there foul tongues and how they turned off other christians. However, it was only a few people wre like that, but that was all it took. A few hypocrites who aren't open to any newcomers. Our congregation only consisted of about 50 people. And a regular Sunday there were only like thirty or so people there, much smaller thatn Cedar Creek.

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I think it's funny that anyone could be intimidated by anyone on a BLOG. Falco is a smart alec, no doubt. But no one has any idea who he is, or what's in his heart. I go back and read the stuff Falco writes, and sure, he's mouthy and it cracks me up sometimes...but, he's not a hypocrite (if you disagree, I challenge you to show me where in his posts). Don't confuse sarcasm and mouthiness for hypocrisy. To me, if I was a judgmental, critical person, I would think people like Nat and Daisy are a couple of uptight, know-it-all, judgmental old biddies who think they have the right to pass judgment on someone's heart whom they have never even met. All because they don't like his choice of words or his tone (I’m not sure how you get a tone from typing, but, whatever). This blog practically blows up when Falco posts. I’ve never seen several of the participants on this blog before. Falco gets people fired up…he makes you feel something, whether you like it or not. It gets people engaged; it gets them to open their mouths and blog. So far, most people just want to criticize and judge and react emotionally. I mean, GOD FORBID someone use the words “hatorade” and “hater-tots” on a church blog. What a heathen Falco must be. If you guys want to know what FALCO’s all about…ask him some legitimate questions. Don’t be so hasty to pass judgment. You might be missing something bigger…much bigger…

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...meanwhile I have posted a new entry a week ago on 1 Thessalonians and no one is commenting? Makes me wonder if everyone would rather just argue about each other?

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Hippo, I just wondered, do you have a statue of Falco that you worship in your home? lol

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Wow Tim...that was a REALLY good one. Try to find something about that in your bible and type it out for me...
I swear, the average age (or maybe IQ) on this blog must be 12.

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Hippo, I wasn't calling FALCO a hypocrite, I was calling people at my old church in Georgia hypocrites. I don't think that FALCO is a hypocrite, I don't even know him! How could I make that judgement? You can say whatever you want, but don't go calling me judgemental, I'm not judging anyone, I'm just saying that judging people is wrong. God is the only one who can judge, got that hippo?
By the way, you seem to really defend FALCO, I'm beginning to wonder if you are FALCO'S alter-ego. It only makes perfect sense. But I could be wrong.

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Hey Kyle,
Rumor has it you're preaching this weekend on faith from the new series 'Against All Odds'. (See latest post)
Meanwhile, I think the 'Crazy Train' has derailed. Ha! :-)

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Tell me about it, this is turning into Springer, but without the flying chairs.

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I love this BLOG...it just spews evil! Nothing productive, just arguing invalid points and spawning irrational thoughts and defensive, accusatory behavior. I LOVE IT!! BWAAAA-HAAAA-HAAAAA!

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I haven't been to Cedar Creek since the service after the Christmas Eve service. I really miss it and feel that I'm missing out. I usually go when I'm with my dad on the weekend, but sadly, I have been very upset with him and having a hard time forgiving him for what has made me angry with him. I haven't gone with him for a long time. I hope that I can find it in my heart to forgive him, but the problem is is that even if I do forgive him, the mistake has been made and he will be living with it for however long a marriage that is doomed to end eventually, lasts.

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Kelly...I realize you are a child but its really not proper to put your parents personal business on a blog. Parents ALL make mistakes, but even tho you do not like his choice of remarriage he does not need your permission or forgiveness. If you think hes made a mistake just pray for him. When you are older and have the chance to make choices of a spouse nine times out of ten your parents will think you've made a mistake. Plain and simple "this is life". We make mistakes...thats what makes people grow and learn. Divorce is hard on the whole family for sure...but remember you have your whole adult life ahead of you, and your Father (as well as your Mother) has every right to seek happiness with a partner of their choice. You do not have to like his decision by any means....but you really should respect it...and again let me say you should not put family and personal business anywhere on the net. It'll get better...wait and see.

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I appreciate your advice Sharon but I don't think it's wrong that I put this problem on the net. I'm not exposing my father, I did not say his name or anything. No one on this blog knows me personally or my family, I was just seeking some advice. My parents shouldn't be ashamed because if someone was to read this they would have no idea who my father was unless they were some creepy stalker that stalks my family and knows the story about my dad very well and would be able to identify exactly who he is. Needless to say, that's very unlikely. But I am geting really bored with this blog, so I think I'm gonna lay off for a while. I have a lot of more important things to do, I have a GPA to maintain and the only way that will work is if I can completely understand how to graph y=mx+b, I have a concret mind, abstract thinking is not for me.

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I guess Bill won't be your friend on your facebook page.

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Lets try and put this pastor salary issue in perspective. I formally worked for a fortune 500 company in the tobacco industry. Upper management was rewarded with salaries in the millions for addicting people to tobacco. What's it worth to addict people to Christ? Lee, give Kyle a fat raise and take one for yourself while your at it.