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...thought provoking. I don't suppose you use the low wattage CFL (compact fluorescent light) bulbs in those lamps do you? ;-)

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No, but I do LOVE Styrofoam....

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11.5 gpm, I am jealous! My vehicle is 10 years old and leaks from the tank. 11.5 would be sweet!

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Yah, Falco here. Kyle, are you sure on the global warming being a fallacy? I have been trying my hardest to get the globe so warm that we have 75 degree winters. I use aqua net aerosol hairspray ever half hour. (keep Falcos hair pretty of course) My ketchup, mustard, and mayonnaise are all applied to my spam sandwiches with a powerful aerosol spray. I have frequent used oil and tire fires, and I took the catalytic converter off my car. So Kyle, your telling me that this isnt working? Falco might have to move to Florida. Any chance of a satelite church down there? Ok, no seriously. Dont tell me that you dare to oppose Mr. Al Gore!! Dont you know he is the way, the truth, and the life?! That was Al Gore wasnt it? WAIT!! I got it! Al Gore is the ANTICHRIST! PLEASE, DONT TAKE THE MARK! I like pizza.

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How do you explain the polar ice caps melting then if you don't believe in global warming? I don't know about global warming either but I can see that evidence. Also I thought Christians were supposed to be good stewards of nature or am I wrong?

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I obviously can see that there is a slight change in temperature these days...I just side in the camp of experts that don't label it as catastrophic, or even close. I believe the earth moves in cycles...what must have the people in the "Little Ice Age" been thinking? The arguments run deep with this topic, but the bottom line is that NOBODY knows what's up for sure...I'm all for having an educated guess, and from what I have studied - there are plenty of things higher up on the 'save the earth' scale that should be important. My personal opinion is that global warming has become a ridiculous political vehicle.

I stayed in a certain hotel a few months ago and they left me some slick pamphlets in the room about how "I" can help save the planet. Here's a few ways...

1 - use the same towel during my stay
2 - turn off all the lights when I leave
3 - turn off the air and water when I leave
...there were a few others, but those stuck in my head.

I'm not completely convinced this particular hotel wanted "me" to help save the planet. -ha

Seems like a great chance to jump on board and save themselves some money. So I'll tell you what, I thought...I'll do these things to help "you" when you cut the cost of your rooms to help "me". Until then, I'll trash my room at a conference like Zeppelin in '77:)

Look, don't blog (anyone) and tell me I don't love the planet, I most certainly do. I recycle, I don't litter, I want to save trees and plant new ones...

I really don't mind people, even some of my good friends, who are big into 'saving the earth'. What a great cause...I just don't buy into global warming and how the Gore experts are considering we fix it. The cost of that effort is so unbelievably insane your head would spin. Instead, let's start an all out effort to raise the few hundred million dollars needed to provide fresh drinking water to the people in the world who don't have it. That problem kills millions more each year than Aqua Net:)

As far as caring for the earth, I certainly believe in that. Unfortunately we have been given dominion over it by God. For better or for worse.

How's this...let's take care of this place, but not put it over telling people about Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross some 2,000 years ago. Let's get as upset by someone not knowing that great news as some of us do about others using spray deodorant.

I'm sure it will get nasty from here on out, but I will say what I feel to everyone on either side, in love and with respect!

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OH MY GOSH. ARE YOU SERIOUS? THE POLAR ICE CAPS ARE MELTING?!?!? Whats gonna happen to the cute white bears!? Why didn't anyone tell us!? Hey no really, thanks Jason. I do appreciate your comment above. However, there is this little thing we humans like to call "Sarcasm"(sar-caz-ahm). Dictionary.com gives a great definition if you are interested. Is the globe getting warmer. Let Falco ask you something. If air conditioning and natural gas furnace's were "thought" to be the reason behind the decrease in the homeless polar bear population, would you stop using these fine inventions? Just asking. And yes, we Christians are absolutely supposed to be good stewards of nature. You are right there my friend!

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Falco meant increase, increase in the homeless polar bear population. Kyle, it seems that you already knew about this potential polar bear situation and didnt even tell anyone!?! What kind of ear tickling pastor are you? You have to preach the hard to hear stuff too buddy! C'mon pimp!

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Global surface temperatures have increased about 0.6°C (plus or minus 0.2°C) since the late-19th century, and about 0.4°F (0.2 to 0.3°C) over the past 25 years (the period with the most credible data). How do you explain that?

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That's exactly what I am saying. No one can explain that! I clearly stated that the earth was increasing in temp these days (though slowly). It's not methane, it's not my F-250...no one knows. I have a little trouble understanding alarmists on this! I have read many studies on tree rings, they show many periods of slow temp increase or decrease over the centuries. Do I agree with seeing a green colored smoke coming from a particular smoke stack in Detroit every time I go to a Tigers game? Of course not:) What would you suggest Kelly? Honestly, what would help this? I think we're more on the same side than we might think.

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I also have to tell you that you can find any numbers out there to fit your beliefs. You really have to watch that...I've seen huge variances in temps from one side to the other. I'm open to discussing this...as long as we keep a biblical perspective on the matter. I hate politics. -ha

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My personal perspective is this (coming from a Prius driver)... I believe in the Biblical truth of how the world will eventually end, therefore, it's hard for me to accept the world overheating and killing us all. That being said, I do believe we are lowering the quality of life for future generations by not taking care of the planet we have been given. The world doesn't have to end for it to absolutely suck (more than we can possibly imagine) to live in. And, for me... if I have to choose between two camps, either of which could be right, I figure I might as well choose the safe one. That is my "safe" answer... but what I truly believe is that we are (humans) indeed causing the climate change, and it doesn't seem to be for the better (despite warmer winters). I'm not saying we need to do all these high cost crazy energy plans... what I am saying is that people should take personal responsibility for how they treat the environment. It really can be as simple as recycling, using low wattage (CFL) bulbs, turning your ac up, and your heat down... so on and so on.

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Agreed. I will also say that I enjoy the warm weather:)

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I just read on a science site that what scientists are most concerned about with global warming is rising sea levels. Most agree that ocean levels will rise about three feet which would swamp most of the coastal U.S. and make things like hurricanes worse. I believe most of the problem is coming from vehicles and coal-fired power plants. I don't know if we can do much about the number of vehicles but we could switch to nuclear power which is virtually emission free. But the environmental nuts won't allow it. :) And yes I happen to be a political junkie! lol

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Global Warming receives way too much press!!! It has become the Brittany Spears of the tabloids. A Christian can do his part by trying to cut down on pollution, not littering, and not feeling guilty about the stuff that comes out of volcanoes and ocean vents, because in the end there's not much we can do! Some observations:
1) First hard science has only been around 100+ years or so. Its really hard to measure anything before that time so we have no baseline to compare with. The earth has good through some mini-ice ages and warming trends (although much of this is just anecdotal evidence)
2) If indeed the earth has warmed this 0.6C in the last 100 years are we so naive that the climate that was around 100 years ago was the best for our planet?
3) Why do we beat ourselves up over this when there are so many worthwhile causes to devote our time to
AIDS, Poverty, Cancer, Genocide, etc...

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Wow professor, great point. Nice work Jason with the nuclear power take! From what I have studied, the water level argument doesn't seem to hold...well, water. The rise is supposedly impossibly low...being noted that we lose coastline every year and the amount being projected by alarmists is not close to being accurate. I'm not an expert on anything...the science sometimes loses me:) I do know that God promised not to destroy the earth by flood...but will we? It doesn't seem very likely from my investigating. I do know this...we have historically more disease during cold cycles...no crops, more hurricanes (believe it or not) more malaria outbreaks and more loss of wildlife. It's possible we lose the polar bears as Falco has eluded to, but the sad truth is that we lose species all the time, this has always happened. Hopefully we can step up and combat this, hopefully we can do our own individual parts without going overboard. Oh, and one more thing...Walker could fix this. Cordell, come back to us! Reruns are getting old! -What?

Gas

Getting rid of cars won't do anything. The most abundant greenhouse gas is water vapor by far. This is the result of volcanoes, vegetation, and clouds. In fact humans emit CO2 and H2O every time we exhale. Maybe we should hold our breath for a minute every week.

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Prof L hit it right on the head with that last sentence. Just wanted to drop some links on ya.
http://www.icr.org/article/3233/
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/ http://www.predictweather.com/global_warming/index.asp
If anyone is really that intrested in this semi waste of time, these links will give you an edgahmacation on the facts concering this played out topic.
You know what the Bible rocks. We could always just read what God promised in Genisis 8:21-22! (dont be lazy go read it!) There will always be winter, spring, summer, and fall. All you have to do is call. And Ill be there yes I will. You've got a friend. Falco out

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As a fighter pilot I log hours upon hours in a f-16. Each time I burn a ridiculous amount of fuel causing unimaginable damage to the o-zone layer. Am I lowering the quality of life each time I fly? Am I lowering the quality of life just like some people who drive their S.U.V.s or others who don't use energy efficient light bulbs? Sure there may be some small adjustments we can all make to our way of living to help protect the planet for future generations, but let's not all go crazy. Some adjustments won't make any real difference. Also when we change some ways of living that we take for granted, we may actually be harming or lowering our current quality of life. Let's just think twice before we all sell our trucks and shut off our air conditioners. Until then, I am going to go ahead and protect the skies ensuring our quality of life.

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That's a bogus argument Mr. Masters. Saying some small adjustments won't make any difference, or saying that by changing some of the ways in which we live may lower our quality of life (like shutting off our AC), is like saying that by giving up a Starbucks Venti No-Whip Skinny Cinnamon Vanilla Dolce Latte a month to sponsor a child in Africa is worthless. This world is built on individuals taking baby steps forward. And when it comes to you "protecting our quality of life," while I certainly am grateful... this cushy experience we Americans like to refer to our "quality of life" is so ridiculous on a global scale... I think it might be good for people to turn off the AC.

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11.5 mpg maybe with a good tail wind pushing you

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C'mon, I'm trying to sound environmentally friendly here.

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Dude, tell me you don't sit at home and watch WTR reruns on USA? Say it isn't so! Do you practice your "air S"'s while you watch or do you save that for the commericals?

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Step off man. Don't mess with Walker.

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I might have an extra badge or two laying around. I'd share one with you, but I don't think they're made of recycled plastic. I notice you ignored the "air S's" comment....I'll take that as a YESSSSSSSSSS!

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Nuke the whales.

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Wow, this thread is going the way of the buffalo. -ha

Anyway, on a different note...many of you have been wondering what happened to the blogs yesterday. Here's the deal...we crashed two servers out of Texas last night due to TOO MANY HITS!!!! I'm serious, you people crashed the site so we built bigger servers:)

We are getting some numbers back from the company that manages out site...here's what they say. We're up 25,000 hits since the blogs and new site launched! That tells me this - for every person posting a comment on any of these blogs...THOUSANDS and just stopping by to read them. Falco, you might need to lay low for a while.

Believe it or not, I actually plan on blogging something of substance soon. This is all just an evil ploy to get you people acquainted. I'm heading out of town for a few days...Please be kind to Josh, he'll be filtering your comments.

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People think that greenhouse gases are causing gloabl warming, they believe the biggest problem is carbon dioxide, but it really is water vapor, a ntaurla thing. But people forget that the ocean absorbs most of water vapor anyway, so why blame this for the hole in the ozone layer. How do we know that the change in the earth's surface temperature isn't just a natural process of the earth that is supposed to happen?

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People think that greenhouse gases are causing gloabl warming, they believe the biggest problem is carbon dioxide, but it really is water vapor, a ntaurla thing. But people forget that the ocean absorbs most of water vapor anyway, so why blame this for the hole in the ozone layer. How do we know that the change in the earth's surface temperature isn't just a natural process of the earth that is supposed to happen?

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I have always been a bit iffy about the idea of global warming, but I'm going to have to agree with you Kyle, why buy into it? No one can prove either way, so why believe the worst? I hate those pesimists, I'm an optimist:) I'm only thirteen anyway, I don't know much, however I have the capability to learn anything I want, although I don't want to learn about evolution, I completely disagree with that, but my science teacher is quite the fan.

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I just checked, water vapor is the most significant greenhouse gas, and it is 95% of the earth's greenhouse effect. But the ocean absorbs most of it.

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Chappy here. Hey Doug Masters how is your dad doing. Good thing he sent you to that awsome military school. That has helped you grow so much


I work outside all summer, fall, winter and spring. When its 95 degrees outside and i am working on a black roof that is reflecting 115+ degrees back at me for 12 hours at a time, i want to come home to my house that i keep at 68 degrees. At night i turn the A/C down to 65 degrees so i can sleep better.

I drive my work van to and from work and all around with my drivers side window open with the A/C on max. What i am trying to do there is cool the warming planet.

I believe what Paster Kyle believes, The planet runs in cycles.

I try to save gas in my car but sometimes "I Have The Need For Speed". I enjoy getting to or slightly above the speed limit as fast as i can from time to time. My car can get 30 Mph on the highway, but on the track i get about 8.5 per gallon per session and i also love that.

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Hey Kelly,
Good Girl! I like your track (you are capable of learning anything you want), but you have to do the work. Meaning you need to educate yourself on topics before you get hung up on what you believe. I think it is great that you are not buying into evolution, however do you know why? You are solely responsible for your walk in life and with God, so don't sell yourself short. Make sure you know why you believe what you believe and back up why you do not believe the other side; look into it so that you do not waffle in your stance. You should check out this website, it has got some good stuff, maybe share it with your teacher as well.
www.answersingenesis.org

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Thanks Stacy. One of the main reasons I don't believe in evolution (and there are many) is because of the whole idea of humans evolving from apes, that is totally twisted! I mean, first off, in the Bible God put Adam and Eve on earth, so that's where humans started. And then if we evolved from apes, why isn't the apes now these days evolving into humans? Go figure. So honestly, the whole idea is just ridiculous, scientists can really take some things a little too far. But I'm curious, fill me in, what are your guy's thoughts on evolution? What are other things that give away that this whole thing is false?

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I would have to say as a science teacher that I believe in both evolution and creation. They are not mutually exclusive. While I studied science, I discovered that the human body and the universe were so complex that they couldn't have happened just by chance. There are also a lot of things that can't be explained by chance. But evolution is more than just the ape theory. It involves the theory of natural selection as well as other things. Natural selection states that the fittest species survive. Those species that don't adapt to their environment die out. It also states that males tend to mate with as many females as possible to ensure the survival of the species while females mate with usually one. I believe this is true. Also we can see evolution in bacteria when they mutate to resist antibiotics. But where I differ with creationists is on the fact that they believe that humans and the earth are exactly the same today as they were when God created everything. We have evidence that shows that the continents were all joined together at one time as well as fossil evidence that shows that humans long ago look nothing like humans of today. So I think it is a matter of what topic you are discussing on whether I believe in evolution or creation. Peace out!

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Aw, man! I think I goofed, I put a new thread out there under Lee's Pastor Video 2 and I really need help on this issue but I have a feeling no one is looking there, I wasn't familiar enough with this site at the time to know the "hot spots"!!! C'mon, do I hafta retype the whole thing? I wonder if a copy & paste will work... SA-WEET, it worked, it follows...

Okay, I'm struggling with an issue that I bet a LOT of people at the Creek can relate to and I could really use some advice...I know that I'm saved and feel I have a very close relationship with Jesus, however, I am not married and am sexually involved with someone I'm crazy about. And I know this is going to sound terrible, but I'm just not willing to give this up. I know this isn't the IDEAL situation and that I'm probably interferring with God's perfect will for my life, but that just isn't enough of a motivation for me to make any changes. My question is this, what is the motivation for a believer to eliminate the sin in their life that feels "victimless" and brings so much enjoyment? Are there actually eternal consequences? Isn't it true we're not going to be judged in Heaven? Thanks for your input, everyone! P.S. Falco, you rock...

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Weak, I think that when it comes to a matter like that, you have to make your own decision, if you feel that what you are doing is wrong, then maybe you shouldn't do it. But yes, there will be Judgement Day in Heaven, but if what you are doing is a sin, and that's hard to say if it is, if you ask for forgivness with all your heart, then you'll be fine. And sometimes the real sin is if what you're doing is for all the wrong reasons instead of the right ones. This person you are involved with, do you love them? Are you willing to make a commitment to them? It's really hard to say what's a sin and what's not, only God is the judge of that, so you're going to have to make your own decision about what you're gonna do.

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So Jason, if you're a science teacher, help me out here, I'm a little confused, how can you believe in both creation and evolution, because it always seemed to me that they were quite the opposites.

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Who is "Falco"??? I think he's Kyle's alter-ego!!!

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Hey Kyle,
I see a lot of Creation v.s. Evolution stuff here on the blog and I would love to wade into this and the whole global warming issue. What I would really like to do is have you come visit my place of employment (The Creation Museum) and let me introduce you to some of the scientists on staff who write our texts and speak on these issues daily. By the way, I don't belive in global warming either, and niether does your Aunt Chris (My wife). Peace & Love.............

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weak- i commend you for your honesty. yes, you are living in sin. yes, God will forgive you. I lived with my husband 2 years before we got married. we went to a church that did not agree with it but they worked with us. eventually they approached us and suggested we marry. we could either marry quietly or separate for 6 weeks to focus on God's word and plan, then marry. we separated and had a big church wedding. boy it was hard! but on my wedding day i knew it was God's will and he was the one! Certainly hasn't been easy but definately blessed. Anyway- you should pray about this- search God's will for you, and develop a plan so that you can please God with your life. I'll pray for you. Just for the record cows are causing global warming. Stop eating beef.

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Yo. Back in the 70's the scientific community was just as wound up as it is today, however the topic du jour was global cooling.....now I didn't see a lot of the 70's, but snowmen in July would've stuck out.

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11.5 mpg? Good thing you are not a boater. Most boats are lucky to see 1 mpg. We actually average about 0.7 mpg for our cruising.

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DaveinCincy, Off the subject....but just wanted to tell you I work at a Travel Information Center on I-75 In Ohio. We're not officially supposed to promote out of state attractions but I try to always mention the Creation Museum when telling travelors about Cincy attractions. Keep up the great work--I hope to get down to check it out soon! I've heard great things!

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I'll be down with a few guys soon! I'll give you a call...I've also heard great things about what's going on down there!

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Cool Kyle, let us know what you think of it.

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I personally think a lot of Christians don't believe in global warming because it is considered a liberal viewpoint. For better or for worse, Christians got involved with conservative political causes and now they believe in or think they have to support conservative viewpoints. I have seen this on a lot of issues that are controversial. Not saying I agree or disagree with the issue, just looking for truth on matters.

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I would say the Christians I hang out with might be a little offended with that generalization Jason...hey, that rhymed! Anyway, I would certainly agree with the statement that most Christians factor in their faith when deciding an issue/party. In my opinion, that's the main glue holding this country together right now, though it appears it might not be long before it all comes unraveled. The Christ follower has a Christian world view, democrat or republican. That is the lens that makes the difference, democrat or republican. You have insinuated, whether intentional or not, that most Christians check their brains out at the door on global warming and just lean against it because Al Gore is the catalyst. Let me ask you this, is global warming a liberal movement? We all know the earth is neither right nor left:) I personally think the issue of global warming is being hurt by the political arena. Unfortunately people tend to reject something when it's rocketed to the agenda of the opposite party. That's a shame because we take two steps forward and one step back in this country. I think I know just as many Christians who believe in global warming, but their Christian world view separates them from being alarmists, in most cases. I know where you were going with your post, I think your intentions were good...tell me this though, what other controversial issues have you seen this with? I just want to know. Thanks for your candidness Jason! I love it!

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Amazing. I was contemplating logging in to see what Kyle's views were on Christian values vs. Republican and Democratic views and here it is! Definitely a God thing. This is an issue I have been wrestling with since my commitment to Christ. I am astonished and often confused by the "Religious Right"s blind faith (excuse the pun) in the Republican party line. People call Democrats (like me) bleeding hearts, but isn't that a goal? To have empathy for others and to take care of each other while we are here? I do believe some Christians take their cue on what to support solely based on what their party leaders declare. It really is very confusing to me especially because I feel like I'm the only one that sees the hypocrisy of this these people.

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A lot of people give me crap for being a republican, but I don't agree with the democratic party, and how they allow gay marriages, abortion and other things I don't agree with. I go for what I believe is right, so I don't support the democrat party, but people think we're more well off with a democrat president, someone tell me, why is that so? When it comes to our faith in God, does it matter what political party we are for?

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The Right vs. Left, Elephant vs. Donkey debate is in my opinion not a topic to get worked up about if you are a Christ follower. Sure the Dems have some messed up ideas of what is ok. (Abortion, gay marriage, etc...) But if you knew everything the Rep's are doing you could pick out all kinds of dumb stuff they allow also. Fact is that when the "religious right" starts spouting off about their religious ways and what they think is Godly, they forget that we are not supposed to be of this world. They forget that Jesus was neither republican nor democrat and wouldn’t concern himself with things like politics. If anything, I would say that the so called religious right is just that "religious". And if anything they are misrepresenting what a true follower of Christ looks like by taking on an identity of republican rather then just Christian. One can not serve two masters. All of us bible believing Christians need to remember that God controls who is elected, not you or your votes. If that leader makes good decisions, God uses them. If that leader makes bad decisions, God uses them. He is in complete and total control. Not George, Hillary, or Kyle Grey, but God. By the way this isn’t just my opinion; it’s what the bible tells us. I notice that a lot of these blog posts are just people’s simple opinions. Let’s get back to what the scriptures tell us! Remember its here to live by.

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Just for the record, I am a conservative Republican so if Christians want to put their "blind faith" in the Republican party, that is ok with me. The more votes we get the better. lol (Just kidding). Thanks Kyle for your post. I would say that Christians gravitated toward the Republican party over twenty years ago on a few issues and a lot now call it their home. In fact, Bush in 2004 got about 80% of the Protestant vote and about 60% of the Catholic vote. I would assume most Christians are against abortion, same sex marriage, pornography, euthanasia, and today's separation of church and state. The issues in which Christians believe in the conservative way of thinking but it is not maybe necessarily the Christian worldview are taxes, affirmative action, gun control, war, capital punishment, welfare programs, and the environment to name a few. Some of my conservative views I defend with secular reasons rather than religious ones so it might be ok to be conservative on some issues and disagree with other Christians. I hope this clears it up for you Kyle. Later.

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Perfectly! Nice take Jason, I'm with you!

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KitKat, I love you!!!!!!!!! I hate politics. -ha
Next thread is coming soon, I will aim it at relativism. Jesus Christ is the only way...and He is truth. I'm not a big fan of postmodernism. This should get good. 100% Bible action. Bring it!

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I hear this talk about the "religious right" all the time. Who exactly are they? What do they believe? What churches are they involved in? Is Cedarcreek one of them? Are they really the bad people that the media and citizens say they are? If they are people who have conservative views and are religious, I would call myself one of them. I don't consider them the threat that everyone says they are. I don't how big they are in number but certainly not a danger to America as we know it.

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Besides, I love politics and I believe it is important for Christians to be involved. I don't think Jesus would be happy with us sitting on the sidelines like KitKat suggests. I believe this is the reason that America and our society have gone downhill to the point they have. Christians either were ignorant of what was happening or chose just to read their Bibles and go to church rather than make a difference. God expects us to apply His Word and change our world with it not just read it and attend Sunday services. God is a God of cause and effect most of the time. While He can control situations, he usually lets us make the decisions on how they play out. If Christians refuse to vote or back someone who doesn't reflect the Christian viewpoint, God will let the vote totals go the way they go and we and our country will suffer for it. Just my opinions on the matter but something to think about. Peace and Grace.

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In all actuality, few political issues are truly spiritual issues. As an example, personally, I prefer lower taxes. The Bible does not endorse low taxes, all it says is that we are to pay our taxes honestly (Romans 13:6-7; Matthew 22:15-21). Taxes and many other issues (social security, universal healthcare, education funding, prescription drugs, etc.) are not spiritual issues the Bible specifically addresses. You see jason, the problem with your post is that it is just your "opinion on the matter" as you stated. Rather then just thinking the bible says something that it doesn’t, let’s get in the Word and really see what it says. Dealing with things like political parties it tells us that "No one can serve two masters" (Matthew 6:24) No matter who is in office, whether we voted for them or not, whether they are of the political party we prefer or not – the Bible commands us to respect and honor them (1 Peter 2:13-17; Romans 13:1-7). We should also be praying for those placed in authority over us (Colossians 4:2; 1 Thessalonians 5:17). We do not have to agree with them, or even like them – we DO have to honor and respect them. Politics is always going to be a difficult issue for Christians. We are in this world, but are not to be of this world (1 John 2:15). We can be involved in politics, but we should not love politics. Ultimately, we are to be heavenly minded, more concerned with the things of God than the things of this world (Colossians 3:1-2). As believers in Jesus Christ, we are all members of the same political party – monarchists who are waiting for their King to return (Revelation 19:11-16). Jason, I’m not suggesting that we Christians sit on the sidelines at all. We need to be the MVP's of the game. But not the political game. The game of reaching each person rich or poor, man or woman, democrat or republican with the life changing, life saving message of Christ and for the kingdom of Christ. Don’t waste your time opposing one political side or the other. You will incur Gods judgment if you do! (Romans 13:1-2) "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment." I am not saying don’t vote. Abortion is wrong (Jeremiah 1:5, Psalm 139:13-16, Exodus 21:22-25) and if you can stop a murder by voting then do it. Gay marriage is wrong (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9) and if you can stop this God opposing life style by voting then do it. The thing is that you don’t know for sure that you didn’t just stop the other candidate (party) from doing something great like making sure that everyone in the world has water. We are not supposed to get caught up in this stuff man! God is ruling this world from heaven with his feet up. He’s not pacing back and forth ringing his hands wondering what he will do if Hillary gets elected. He is God! All of the answers to anything life has to throw at you are in the bible people. Stop thinking about your silly little opinions and start studying your bibles! It is to be a lamp to our feet and a light for our path. (Psalm 119:105)

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We need a new thread, quick. Who's running this operation?

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By the looks of it...Jason is.

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I'm thinkin KitKats enlighten you, I need to get my paws on some. Can we have the greeters start passing them out at weekend services? Maybe the church can get a discount by buying in bulk. Good thing Halloween is close, maybe we can find them on sale.

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FINALLY, we have someone on here quoting scripture. I've been reading all the blogs on this church website and I'm appalled at all the opinions being thrown around as fact with little-to-no scriptural backing.

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Thanks KitKat. You cleared a few things up for me and I will look at the verses you posted for further guidance. Jason, you basically confirmed what I already suspected. Kyle, you just want to change the subject..right?

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Christy, you have made the best suggestion out of anyone on this blog with the pass out KitKats at the door idea. I would be at all 7 services bouncing in my seat with chocolate all over my face. Why? Because I love me some KitKats!! Are we still supposed to be talking about global warming or is Kyle going to get with the program and start a new rodeo?

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Phillip's not kidding around! Here's the deal, this is my blog. Kyle's blog. I don't walk around quoting scripture every conversation of every day. Sometimes I just want to have a personal opinion. That's a blog. I'm sure I'll heavy it up on scripture sometimes, and other times I'll be the caveman that I am. Get over it...and thanks for your opinion:)

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"...this is my blog. Kyle's Blog."...LOL. I'm sorry, but that's funny stuff.

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Quoting scripture is great, but you don't just have to quote scripture randomly, I think that people just do that to show off sometimes. There's a right time to quote scripture, do it for the right reasons, to help prove your points, but really, sometimes people go a little to far by showing off, expecially on a church web site. And how did this whole politic thing get started here? I think politics are retarded, I hate discussing them, republicans and democrats both have stupid side affects to their party, I always have said that I was a republican, but George Bush is a republican, and we're in National debt. When is this war going to end?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Who here think that California will be completely submerged some day?

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Kyle, what do you mean when you said to prepare to have our minds blown with topic that rival Einstein's theory of relativity? As long as one was convinced that all natural phenomena were capable of representation with the help of classical mechanics, there is no need to doubt the validity of this principle of relativity.

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...I have GOT to start a new thread!!! (sigh)

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Sorry if I'm being annoying! Just let me know, I'll stop ... promise.

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Of course not Kelly. I wish more people would post:) You keep it up girl!

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I just want to get to know the people that go to Cedar Creek, I've been going for a year, and haven't made any friends. There's just so many services, this is a perfect way to get acquainted.

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Hey, I have a question. A couple of months ago my dad took me and my brother to cedar point. He told us to tell his girlfriend we we staying at his friend's house, he just wanted to spend time with us, so he didn't want her to come, and he didn't want to hurt her feelings. Lately I've been feeling awful about that lie, should I tell her the truth? Or should I obey my dad?

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I am not running anything folks. I am just posting my thoughts and you guys are responding. If we all had the same opinions, this would be a very boring post. I don't have to cite Scripture all the time or at all. I agree with all the scripture verses that were quoted by you guys all except for Falco of course. lol Also I assume you guys know the Bible anyway. If I cited the Scriptures you guys did all the time, we would all have the same opinions on everything and it would be counterproductive. Like I said, there are some things that can be argued from a secular viewpoint. Not everything has a religious spin to it. I never assumed that everything I believed was in the Bible. You guys inferred that. I believe in owning guns for self-defense for example but it is not in the Bible and that is ok. Not everything you believe has to be. Like Kyle said, sometimes you just like to throw it out there and have fun. :) I am surprised by how seriously you guys take me. lol And what did you suspect about me, Andi? :) Kat, you just took one of my interests and hobbies and smashed it to bits. lol

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Are they still showing reruns of 'In the Heat of the Night?' Bubba rules.....

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kelly94...you mentioned that you have been attending the creek for a year and haven't made any friends. The Fusion Group is doing some really great things getting kids together. It sounds like they are having a lot of fun. You should check out thier blog and listen to Sam's video message...he's pretty funny.

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I don't want to join Fusion, I'll miss the service, and I really enjoy that. And if I make friends there, there is 5 services, I am not guaranteed to seem them often. But I will join Vertical next year. Cedar Creek is just such a big church, I know some people that go there too and never have once ever seen them. Oh, and you don't have to call me kelly94, you can call me Kelly, the 94 is there because I was born in 1994. Yes, I know, I am young:)

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Kelly, the Fusion groups meet throughout the week for fellowship. They have groups in Toledo, Perrysburg and Whitehouse. I hope you consider at least looking into it. It would be much healthier for you to make friends that way, rather than trying to make friends with adults who don't neccesarily even attend the Creek. Just a thought...
Also, you need to be careful about plagiarism. Your line regarding Einstein's theory was straight from the book of Einstein's Relativity. Make sure you quote that stuff :)

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I will always stand by my practice of sitting outside armed with an aresol can in each hand attempting to make summer just that much longer...

By the way Kyle's blog is lame...come to where the cool kids are ;)

http://cedarcreek.tv/RegularAttendees/ToledoCampus/tabid/87/Default.aspx

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I can make friends with who I want to make friends with, and I never said that these users on this blog were my friends. I don't know them, people who are online could be lying about their idenity, I don't trust anyone online enough to be considered my friend, unless of course I already know them in person. And I do have friends, my own age too. I am not plagarizing either, what I said was not my own words, I just looked into Einstein's book of relativity and had a question, Sorry that I forgot the quotes. I have a hard time putting something that complex into my own words, my being an eighth grade student and all. I never said that I was the one who said that. If I end up feeling like going to fusion one day, I will, if I don't want to, I won't, It's a hard enough adjustment changing churches anyway, I had a lot of friends in my youth group back at my old church.

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I have read Kelly's threads, she seems to know what she's talking about. There is nothing wrong with simply carrying on conversations with adults. What's your big deal here about fusion Hiphopportunity? My daughter went a couple of times and just wasn't comfortable, is it really necessary to push someone to go? Have you ever gone to fusion? And I think that everyone would know that obviously that the line regarding Einsteins theory of relativity was obviously straight from the book, people should know that! It doesn't mean that she really was saying those were her words. She wasn't writing an essay! Oh and I don't believe in global warming Kyle, no one can prove it. Oh and 11 mpg, wow, that's a bummer.

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Isn't it interesting how the truth flares tempers???

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Re: I don't believe in global warming! By kelly94 on 10/4/2007 5:46 PM
Kyle, what do you mean when you said to prepare to have our minds blown with topic that rival Einstein's theory of relativity? As long as one was convinced that all natural phenomena were capable of representation with the help of classical mechanics, there is no need to doubt the validity of this principle of relativity.
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Re: I don't believe in global warming! By kelly94 on 10/4/2007 6:14 PM
I just want to get to know the people that go to Cedar Creek, I've been going for a year, and haven't made any friends. There's just so many services, this is a perfect way to get acquainted.

I just thought I would remind you of what you had posted earlier that led me to give you my earlier thread of friendly advice.

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*ahem* For those of you who don't know me, I am the guy in charge of this here website, and it's content. I just wanted to drop in and remind you all to keep it clean, and at the very least respectful. These blogs are here to create conversation, and yes sometimes arguments. I implore you however, to keep from attacking others... otherwise I'll have to get out the "mod-stick" and start beating people over the head with it just like my uncle billy-bob did to me with a sock full of quarters whenever his OCD flared up... that's OCD right? (And for those of you who insist on pointing out whenever someone quotes something... that OCD line is from the TV show "Scrubs")

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Thank you, Jason. I agree.

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You go, Joshua...I was so excited to see this website and it started out with some exciting dialogue but this is getting really petty, I'm getting very discouraged.

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I agree, Joshua White...it's good to know someone is in charge of this here website. We appreciate you!

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Ima - Unfortunately that's the double-edged sword of a web2.0 world. We here at CedarCreek.tv are not at all about censoring people, rather we want our attenders in addition to anyone else who visits the site to have the ability to interact with us. Even if that means disagreeing with us and others, calling people out... anything short of rude, disrespectful or profanity-laced comments are pretty much fair game. So while yes, these blogs are hosted on our site, we are in no way responsible for the opinions or writings of others... and we certainly all don't agree. I for one, very much believe in global warming. I drive a prius (50mpg), use my own reusable cloth grocery bags, keep my heat down and ac up five degrees, use Compact Fluorescent Bulbs (CFL), unplug EVERYTHING (except the refrigerator, tv, and slingbox) when it's not in use, recycle, grind my own fair trade organic coffee and brew it in a french press (no coffee filter waste), do not purchase or drink bottled water (I use a reusable nalgene bottle), purchase organic local food when I can, and would vote for Gore in a heartbeat if he entered into the 2008 race. See, even people who work at CedarCreek have differing opinions... always try and remember that anything called a "blog," unless it's written as such, does not necessarily reflect the official position of CedarCreek Church as a whole. After all, I'm what most people would refer to as a "liberal," although I prefer "progressive," democrat, and while I admit to having voted for Bush in 2004, I would give anything to take it back... not that the alternative was any good though. I suppose I could have written in "None of the Above."

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You are right Hippohopportunity, I did say that I wante